I love the Internets. Even more so, I love the people who take the time to share their knowledge to help out their common man (or woman or transgendered individual). Social responsibility is a large part of why I share these tidbits of information that hopefully make someone’s life just a little bit easier.
Last week I pulled into the Post Office and ran inside to drop off a package. When I returned to my beloved Jeep, I turned the key and… nothing. Actually, there were lights, but they were accompanied by silence. All the dash lights and everything came on, but there was no starter crank, not even the dread “click-click-click.” Just silence.
Rather than start screaming obscenities, I pulled out my Droid and searched “Jeep Liberty Turn Key No Sound.” There were a decent number of returns, but six or so down was a post on the wonderful LostJeeps.com with the title “06 CRD Won’t Always Crank… Problem Found!"
Throughout the thread were many suggestions, but the one that seemed to fit the bill regarded the actuator pin, a long plastic pin in the steering column that connects the actual key cylinder to the ignition switch (which seems like a ridiculous part… and even more ridiculous is the notion of making it out of plastic –this is a part that gets cranked/tweaked over and over and over again –plastic –really?).
There was a diagram and a suggestion to jumper the starter relay to bypass the ignition process. I found a small piece of copper wire, jumpered the relay pins, and sure enough, little Thumper started cranking like a champ. I pulled the relay back out and drove home, saving myself the time, hassle, and cost of a tow! Very cool.
I actually spent the next week starting the car this way while waiting for parts to arrive. I would simply turn the key to the “run” position, pop the hood, place the jumpered starter relay in its slot, and the starter would crank and fire up the engine.
If you’re doing this, just remember to pull the relay out before driving away, or the starter will keep cranking as you’re driving down the road. Also, you don’t need to “seat” the relay all the way into its slot. The jeep will fire up as soon as the pins hit the contacts.
Note that several people in the Lost Jeeps thread mentioned dealers that wanted to replace the ENTIRE STEERING COLUMN rather than service the part. $1200 in parts and service vs. a little less than $40 in parts to do it yourself in about an hour. This is EXACTLY the reason it’s a good idea to do a little research before simply turning your keys over to the dealership.
Surprisingly enough, it turns out that the METAL in my actuator pin housing had broken, not the actual plastic pin. It looks like the metal was brittle and crumbled like the “pig iron” you often see installed for drains in old houses.
Here is a link to the part you will need:
Dorman 924-704 Ignition Switch Actuator Pin
Several people also suggested changing the ignition switch since it’s cheap and you’ve already removed it during the process, so I went ahead and did that as well. Here’s a link to the part:
Standard Motor Products US447 Ignition Switch
Here is a link on youtube that illustrates the entire process. They do a great job of announcing the step you’ll be undertaking, then showing you how it’s done. Great tutorial. I believe they are actually changing the pin on a PT Cruiser, but the process is nearly identical.
I also highly recommend reading the post on Lost Jeeps to prep yourself with general knowledge before undertaking the work!
Below is a gallery of the photos I took while changing things out.
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38 comments:
when you started it like that for a week how did you turn it off
You still have to use your key, so you just turn the car off as you normally would.
Here's clarification from the original post:
"I actually spent the next week starting the car this way while waiting for parts to arrive. I would simply turn the key to the “run” position, pop the hood, place the jumpered starter relay in its slot, and the starter would crank and fire up the engine.
If you’re doing this, just remember to pull the relay out before driving away, or the starter will keep cranking as you’re driving down the road. Also, you don’t need to “seat” the relay all the way into its slot. The jeep will fire up as soon as the pins hit the contacts."
Then just turn the key off when you arrive at your destination!
oh ok thanks was just wondering in the original post the next paragraph I see was...
Note that several people in the Lost Jeeps thread mentioned dealers that wanted to replace the ENTIRE STEERING COLUMN rather than service the part. $1200 in parts and service vs. a little less than $40 in parts to do it yourself in about an hour. This is EXACTLY the reason it’s a good idea to do a little research before simply turning your keys over to the dealership.
That didn't show for me and still doesn't however also for your liberty when you turned your key off were your dash lights still illuminated because mine stay on... is why I wasn't sure the key would work cause my battery just drains cause I can't turn them off
THANK YOU!!! Saved a lot of money by replacing the ignition actuator pin. Truck started immediately! Thank you again
Rock on!
THANK YOU-I was looking at $1500.00 bill-they lowered it to $1200.00. My son saw this video-got the part-$28.00. Just finished with it- runs beautiful. A grateful person from CT.
Right on! Funny how the dealership wants to replace the ENTIRE COLUMN for a $30 fix, huh? [wink]
My liberty have a remote starter one morning dont start , I will replace ign switch and try the wire in the relay , I hope work for me.
Thanks you guys.
Jeep Liberty 2005.
Sounds like my problem. Car started
With the after market remote starter. I assume that bypasses the
Ignition lock. Put key in and away I go use key to turn off. Thanks!
Be a good check to see if my normal mechanic tries to hose me on cost of job. Otherwise I'll just do it.
Yeah... it's always nice to KNOW what a job will cost and then see what your mechanic comes back with as a good "check." Good luck!
Update to June 6 post.
Mechanic called back and said I need to have key reprogrammed? So I said both go bad same time? Told him of pin and switch and he got a little snide about my "self diagnosis" Didnt seem to care for the fact that I knew parts. Which means I know price. Never called back with a quote for job. So now
Ex mechanic and I'll just do it myself. Thanks
Nice. [eye roll] By the way, if you have two keys, you can program your own key ($20 on eBay or Amazon). If you have only one key, you have to have the dealership program it, so it's always good to have three keys (in case one gets lost). Dealers will often charge $70 or more for a programmed key.
Mine keeps cranking but engine won't fire????
Thank you, thank you, thank you. My Jeep Liberty Sport started having issues with the key switch, and as soon as I found your article on replacing the actuator I got the two parts mentioned in your article and was waiting for the safety screw drivers to arrive when the actuator finally gave up. I was prepared, and when the screw drivers arrived today, I got to work on problem. To think a 64 year old woman could follow instructions to a T, and get the job done is one thing, but the amount of money I saved by not having to take my Jeep to a dealer or auto shop is fantastic. Thanks so much for posting this information.
Right on! Glad I could help.
My problem ignision swuthi problem
I'm certain that I'm experiencing the actuator pin failure in my 06 liberty. However, before I figured out how to troubleshoot this with a DMM, I went ahead and replaced the starter, as my car was apparoching 200k miles making it seem plausible.
Since discovering it is the actuator pin, I tried the relay trick in your blog. Doing this will crank the starter, but the car won't fire up because it's either not getting fuel or spark.
So my question is: is there more to the shorting the relay trick or did I possibly compound the problem somehow when I swapped out the starter? (I'm replacing the ignition switch and pin today, but I'm very worried since you said your car was able to run with the relay trick)
I have a spring that came out while doing this job and I can't figure out where it came from?
I vaguely remember that spring (it's been quite a while since I did this). I would check the threads on this topic on Lost Jeeps, etc. I think there was mention of the spring there (something along the lines of "be careful; there's a little spring that will pop out and you won't know where it came from!"). [wink]
Does the bypass wire have to be copper?
The bypass wire does it have to be copper?
Nope. When it first happened, I was using a paperclip I found in the parking lot (I wouldn't recommend keeping it that way though).
This is the same situation I’m having. What’d You ever find out?
This just happened to my 2005 liberty with slightly over 200k miles!
First thing I thought of was the neutral safety switch went bad because I NEVER had any starting issues (manual trans)! We were able to push start it & pop the clutch (which ruled out the neutral safety switch).
Yep! We put the starter in first too.... �� no start!
Went & got the ignition switch, fired right up! But after finding this thread... going back in and doing the actuator pin today!!!
Oh & FYI I got my parts from auto zone! In case anyone was wondering...
*To the king person that started this thread...
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELPFUL INFO!
2006 automatic jeep liberty, last winter(dec 2017)I had the intermittent no start situation. Ignition Switch Actuator Pin, broken, same as in most of the pics out there. So I replaced it as well as the Ignition Switch, easy enough to do. Worked fine for a month or so and then started to happen again. I figured I had used to much force or something and broke it again so I ordered another and plopped it on in. The other one had not broken, figured I had done something during the replacement. Last less then a week and started again. I could always shove a screw driver into the switch and start it right up, so I figured it had to part of that entire assembly. So I order another pin, switch, and key cylinder, all three, plopped them all in. Worked wonderfully until July 2018. Still can put the screwdriver in and start, so it has to e part of that assembly. Found that if push on the Ignition Switch at the same time I turn the key, it works. So a made a wedge to push for me. Not the best fix in the world but it works. I'm wondering if anyone has any other suggestions about what could be causing this particular situation.
I sure hope this is still going.. I have a 06 jeep liberty all same issues. I tried to jumper the starter relay and it would try to start but it just wouldnt go. Any ideas??
Put it in Neutral parking brake on
Wonderful that this thread is still alive...
My daughter's Liberty one time would not start but then has been starting ever since without us having found any reason or done anything to it. Then it died on her one time when she was driving along.
Could the one instance of it not starting and the (so far) one instance of it dying be related?
I'm thinking the dying incident was like the key shutting off. Is the pin opposed by some kind of spring force that will act to move the switch to the "OFF" position if the pin breaks? Note that after the one incidence of the Liberty dying, she was able to restart and drive home.
Thanks for any insight provided.
Daryl A. said my 2005 Jeep Liberty had the same problem . You were right , a broken piece of pot metal on the end . I bought the ( Dorman 924-704 Ignition switch activator pin ) at Auto Zone for $39.95 . The only problem I had was I had to file a few thousands off the pot metal end to fit it in the switch . It shouldn't be a tight fit , but don't file too much because this is where the old one broke . I really appreciate your info. and the You-Tube videos , I was ready to take it to the dealer and spend up to $1,500 . Thanks Daryl A.
My 2006 jeep liberty will not crank and the lights stay on now when it is in the off position with the key out. Also you do not really feel the click motions from off to on to start now.
Any help or suggestions are appreciated.
My 2006 jeep liberty will not crank and the lights stay on now when it is in the off position with the key out. Also you do not really feel the click motions from off to on to start now.
Any help or suggestions are appreciated.
I have bypassed the starter and the starter goes, I have no power on my 15amp starter fuse when cranked. This Leads me to believe this is also my ignition switch actuator that is the problem. Can anyone advise on how I can test before pulling my ignition apart?
Thanks
I have a 2004 jeep liberty sport and i pulled into my mechanics garage to have something looked at and when i tirned it off it wouldn't start back i jad all the dash lights amd headlights worked bit still wouldn't start. Even put the jumper cables on ot and nothing. So does this sound like my ignition switch?
I had this issue today saw this post tried it and i be dam!! Worked like a charm!! Thanks a lot
Been trying to diagnose the '07 Liberty 'no crank no start' all day, then found your post. Nailed it. Huge thank you. If I had two nickels to rub together I'd donate to your blog.
Goes without saying... I'm driving a 2007 Jeep Liberty with 185,000 miles...
So glad to hear this post is still helping people get back on the road! Have fun!
Doing the bypass, my jeep cranks but won't start
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